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Windows 11 Has Made the 'Clean Windows Install' an Oxymoron – Slashdot


An anonymous reader shares a column: You can still do a clean install of Windows, and it’s arguably easier than ever, with official Microsoft-sanctioned install media easily accessible and Windows Update capable of grabbing most of the drivers that most computers need for basic functionality. The problem is that a “clean install” doesn’t feel as clean as it used to, and unfortunately for us, it’s an inside job — it’s Microsoft, not third parties, that is primarily responsible for the pile of unwanted software and services you need to decline or clear away every time you do a new Windows install.

The “out-of-box experience” (OOBE, in Microsoft parlance) for Windows 7 walked users through the process of creating a local user account, naming their computer, entering a product key, creating a “Homegroup” (a since-discontinued local file- and media-sharing mechanism), and determining how Windows Update worked. Once Windows booted to the desktop, you’d find apps like Internet Explorer and the typical in-box Windows apps (Notepad, Paint, Calculator, Media Player, Wordpad, and a few other things) installed. Keeping that baseline in mind, here’s everything that happens during the OOBE stage in a clean install of Windows 11 22H2 (either Home or Pro) if you don’t have active Microsoft 365/OneDrive/Game Pass subscriptions tied to your Microsoft account:

(Mostly) mandatory Microsoft account sign-in.

Setup screen asking you about data collection and telemetry settings.

A (skippable) screen asking you to “customize your experience.”

A prompt to pair your phone with your PC.

A Microsoft 365 trial offer.

A 100GB OneDrive offer.

A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer.

This process is annoying enough the first time, but at some point down the line, you’ll also be offered what Microsoft calls the “second chance out-of-box experience,” or SCOOBE (not a joke), which will try to get you to do all of this stuff again if you skipped some of it the first time. This also doesn’t account for the numerous one-off post-install notification messages you’ll see on the desktop for OneDrive and Microsoft 365. (And it’s not just new installs; I have seen these notifications appear on systems that have been running for months even if they’re not signed in to a Microsoft account, so no one is safe). And the Windows desktop, taskbar, and Start menu are no longer the pristine places they once were. Due to the Microsoft Store, you’ll find several third-party apps taking up a ton of space in your Start menu by default, even if they aren’t technically downloaded and installed until you run them for the first time. Spotify, Disney+, Prime Video, Netflix, and Facebook Messenger all need to be removed if you don’t want them (this list can vary a bit over time).



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