The UK’s leading UFO expert says it doesn’t matter whether the US is hiding one alien body or 10 – it would ‘fundamentally change everything’.
Nick Pope, who previously led the Ministry of Defence’s ‘UFO desk’, was responding to claims by whistleblower David Grusch, who alleges the US government has retrieved at least ten extraterrestrial bodies.
Mr Grusch, a former US intelligence officer, first made headlines in June when he said the government was hiding evidence of ‘intact and partially intact’ alien vehicles. His claims, denied by officials, led in part to a congressional hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP, formerly UFOs) in July.
Three witnesses, including Mr Grusch, gave sworn testimony regarding their experiences with UAP, which included people having been ‘harmed’ in order to cover up evidence of aliens on Earth.
Adding to his claims, last week Mr Grusch spoke on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast and said the number of crashes recorded by the US was in ‘double digits’. He added that the number of terrestrial bodies recovered was ‘up there as well, just like with the retrievals’.
Commenting on the claims, Mr Pope said: ‘In one sense, the numbers David Grusch gave don’t matter, because if we have just one crashed UFO and extraterrestrial body, this would fundamentally change everything, in terms of our understanding of the universe.
‘I can’t evaluate Grusch’s claims, because when I was investigating UAP for the MoD we never acquired a smoking gun that would prove an extraterrestrial presence, despite having some fascinating and unexplained cases.
‘Neither did we hear about any such smoking gun, so if the US government has acquired craft and bodies, they didn’t tell the UK.
‘In terms of keeping this secret, I don’t think the numbers matter so much as the principle – it’s binary, in the sense that either the authorities will be able to keep a lid on it, or they won’t.’
Mr Grush has made clear he himself has not had any direct encounter with aliens, but has spoken to numerous sources, including a former senator, the late Harry Reid, who confirmed the government had evidence of UAP.
‘The question now is whether or not any of Grusch’s claims can be proven,’ said Mr Pope.
‘Various congressional representatives and committees are reportedly trying to get further information, with a view to verifying this, and the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) has also asked Grusch to come in and give further details.
‘But there are question marks over how this could be done, as he no longer has an active security clearance, and even if he gets it back, it’s unclear who he could brief, even within Congress, given the alleged levels of classification.
‘Short of bringing forward any of the craft and bodies for independent scientific study, it’s difficult to see how the claims could be verified. Additional corroborative testimony from other whistleblowers might help, but as with Grusch’s claims, this would just be testimony.’
The issue of UAP has rarely been out of the headlines since Mr Grusch made his initial claims in an interview with the Debrief, as calls grow for transparency about unidentified craft in airspace shared with commercial and military aircraft.
AARO has launched a website sharing declassified information on UAP, which revealed atomic bomb site Hiroshima is now a UFO hotspot.
Mexico held its own congressional hearing in September, but it took a turn from the serious to the bizarre when journalist and ufologist Jaime Maussan unveiled two small ‘bodies’ said to be non-human beings found in Peru.
While the scientific community has widely dismissed the specimens as a hoax – something Mr Maussan has been found guilty of before – others are not so sure.
However, Lt Ryan Graves, a former US Navy pilot who gave evidence at the Washington congressional hearing and attended Mexican parliament, labelled the unveiling as an ‘unsubstantiated stunt’.
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